Still on the subject of marriages....
Call me on-sided but it's really difficult for me to be objective about situations like this. Especially when it involves my about-to-be-married younger sister.
Here's the short version of the wedding saga to date. Boy proposes to Girl but says he doesn't have money for a lavish wedding. He buys her a ring. Girl's father accepts his proposal and welcomes him into the family. Girl's father offers to throw a reception in the couple's honour and foot the whole bill. Girl's father even foregoes the usual tradition of hantaran or dowry.
What does Boy do next?
a. Arrange a small dinner for the two immediate families to get acquainted
b. Display some semblance of appreciation to father-in-law-to-be by means of fair cooperation with the wedding arrangements
c. Offer to forego his subsequent purchases of a new fish tank, DVDs, tech gadgets and the like in order to finance some small part of the wedding (i.e. his own outfit, the wedding cake, or even the photographer's fees)
d. For lack of cash, contribute in kind and volunteer to take on some executional tasks related to the wedding, e.g. coordinate one or two suppliers, make sure his side of the family RSVPs, or even just ensure they turn up properly attired.
Answer: None of the above.
This is what happens instead:
Boy waits for Girl to initiate a meeting between the families. Girl's family proceeds to buy dinner for twenty people, half of whom are members of Boy's family. Boy's family objects to being invited to the Bride's reception because it is too far away. Said family then proceeds to demand more tables than the five allocated. And question the dress code because they couldn't be bothered. Boy's family also expects half the angpow takings for the reception they didn't throw.
Then, and this is the kicker. Four weeks away from the wedding, Boy's family says yes, they would all like hotel rooms for the reception IF the Bride's father is footing the bill.
Not only that. Boy makes more money than Girl. But Girl ends up personally paying for her dress, his outfit, the wedding cake, the videographer and photographer, the florist and an assortment of other little things. She also pays for the honeymoon.
I think there's something wrong with the picture.
Okay, granted, this is a mixed marriage. Malay girl marries Chinese boy. Different cultures, different religions.
Call me an ignorant Malay girl, but I don't have any Chinese friends who would find the above reasonable behaviour within their cultural code. In fact, I don't know any culture that would condone such behaviour.
If this is pre-wedding jitters, I dread to see the arrival of First Grandchild.
Much as I love my sister, I think she has a tough choice. She can walk away now, from someone she loves and trusts with her heart. Or, she can stay, and accept the fact that she will most probably wear the pants in the household, be the bread-winner, financial planner and all things stereotypically male in a marriage.
Then again, this is the girl who once said she wanted God to create a Third Sex.
I guess we should be careful what we wish for.
60 Comments:
Tough time ahead...for your sister. If she really has made her final decision to marry this guy, just pray (really) hard that everything will work out well. God I hate to read another sad story from "Dicelah-celah kehidupan" column of Mingguan Malaysia.
June 9, 2004 8:42 AM
Men who can't seem to do things for themselves... Seriously, this is not the first time I heard stories like these - even non-interracial ones.
Really hope your sister will be ok. A start like this will make things a lot more difficult later.
June 9, 2004 9:07 AM
Don't mean to be anonymous, but didn't want to sign up for a blogger account just to post.
But frankly, this does not sound like an auspicious start. You're not being ignorant or one-sided, your fears are well-founded. I'm from a fair-sized Chinese family myself, and am unfortunately all-too-familiar with clannish, demanding (and um, crass) relatives who take a mile when given an inch. Your sister may be sufficiently committed to the guy since she's accepted the proposal, but it looks like she's in for a difficult time. You can either hope that she finally realizes what she's getting into and does something about it, or warn your entire family in advance so that all of you will be mentally prepared for the future.
June 9, 2004 10:41 AM
If you can do this:
Tell your sister this is the 1st warning...run, run now. Things will not get better, love does not conquers all.
June 9, 2004 11:08 AM
Yes, love does not conquer all ... second warning.
June 9, 2004 12:02 PM
And I thought my sister is marrying the worst groom there is. You definitely won this one :D
Seriously, four weeks into the wedding or not, tell her to run away. Leave him at the altar, or wherever it is she's getting married. If that's not an option,then warn the guy about his family and his own selfish stupid behavior. If that doesn't work, well there's always option #1 above.
Unbelievable how low some guys can be nowadays.
June 9, 2004 3:50 PM
sigh..this is sad..
Third warning, RUN! and run FAST!
June 9, 2004 4:42 PM
Girl.. u tell your sister to break it off .. serious la .. ni tanda2 bahaya ni .. marriage should and is about cooperation. I takut you would be holding her pieces nanti. Anyway, all the best and luck for your sis ! ( InsyaAllah, Amin. )
June 9, 2004 6:36 PM
FC says:
Run...cepat-cepat!!!!Now ok la.... honey.... this just one time...
To me if your sister cannot put her foot down now, she never will . Its better to be the bad person now, rather than nanti nak menyesal pun tak boleh..coz nanti , anak dah lima, financial commitments keliling pinggang. This has nothing to do with religion or race , its just plain courtesy.
Trust me I have been married for almost 13 years. Let your in laws and hubby your know your stand and priciples in the early stage . You don't want them to say.... last time ok, why now cannot
BTW love your postings..
June 9, 2004 8:02 PM
I've been lurking around your blog for quite some time and felt compelled to comment at this:-
I think you, not to mention your sister have valid cause for concern- there are some things that even love cannot conquer, and in my admittedly limited experience, family and money problems simply become amplified after marriage. What you're saying is that he's not yet financially responsible, that his family is rapacious at worst, and kiasu, at best. There's little chance that he's going to change and the kiasu behaviour is going to become even more in-your-sister's-face as time goes by. I think your sister should at least be made aware of this so she can make a well-informed decision, in case she's harbouring notions of him changing, or his family members dying of choking on ill-gotten 6 course dinners.
June 10, 2004 10:00 AM
This does not bode well...and it's never too late to re think a big decision. Especially when it's this BIG...
June 11, 2004 11:46 PM
That is why,try to find someone who understand what HUSBAND responsibility,not a man who not even respect himself...don't he feel shame of himself???
June 17, 2004 12:13 AM
ergh. sounds bad. me thinks Boy has no self pride. and i have a chinese girlfriend. errr... *worries*
June 24, 2004 7:02 PM
aiyo so kiamsiap ke the hubby-to-be?? call himself a man! Hah! somemore from Chinese family kaaa... ini macam ah, in future it'll be real tough for ur sis. Why? bcos in the beginning he's so kedekut & shows no respect for her nor her family, so in future, kalau nak beli rumah atau kereta or anything, mampus la, ur sis kena foot the bill for everything bcos the hubby take it for granted that if he is short of money, the wife will take care. ingatkan ur sis superwoman ke or billionaire?? and it is terribly irresponsible from the guy side... cos if a MAN really cares for his wife-to-be.. kalau tak cukup duit pun, tunggu la sampai financially stabile ke or at least sikit-sikit pun chip in la, ni macam taking ur family for granted like that. Ur family is millionaire ke? if like that, lagi kena berwas-was! aiyo, how can a man make a woman pay for the wedding? really weird & one of a kind la! i wish ur sis all the best & happiness. Its the path that she chose and she has to live with it. Happy wedding girl!
July 2, 2004 1:23 PM
Whoever you are, I like your writing. Honest, sharp and astute. And yes, do tell your sister to keep her eyes open. I have a short essay for an answer but I've a deadline to meet! Keep this up and may I link you?
July 3, 2004 10:17 PM
i second all the arguments above. this one is DEFINITELY not worth it.
July 8, 2004 2:42 PM
pity your sister. i think she need to think about it again and again. trust me, this boy or his family for God sake won't change. It's better to get out from this whole nonsense. Anyway, i really like your writing. Can i link you up?
July 13, 2004 1:06 PM
like your writing. link you up? can?
July 15, 2004 1:52 PM
That boy is so irresponsible. he's not only taking advantage of your sis but your family too. they'll be in serious trouble if they go ahead with the marriage. can't your sis re-consider? if they do, then you have to pray hard for them.
July 16, 2004 11:20 AM
I don't think this is normal, in ANY culture.
Sorry, but personally I would see it as a definite first warning. A preview of what's going to happen after the groom says "Aku terima nikahnya...".
It's never too late to think hard - is this what your sister dreams of?
I pray for the best for your sister and your family.
July 20, 2004 4:07 PM
don't u get it? the boy's family is trying their best not to let their son enter into this marriage thus making up all the much ado.
July 22, 2004 10:01 PM
my dear, I am so sad that this thing is happening to your sister. please let her understand that a partner who didn't even think of what he has been causing your family is either an ignorant or just plain mean!!! they should be able to talk about this thing between them!! please warn her of this thing!!And shame to that guy!! Doesn't he has any balls?
July 23, 2004 11:43 AM
Dear - Love your writing..in fact been reading most of the other earlier posts. Very insightful. Keep on writing!
July 23, 2004 1:29 PM
hiya! no updates? been busy?
July 26, 2004 5:35 PM
To tell you the truth, it does seem a bit one-sided. It might be a problem between the family members instead of the couple, but you know what they say.. you marry into families.
August 1, 2004 7:54 PM
Yikes!!
*...can't you do anything to stop this from happening?.. it's like so wrong..*
August 14, 2004 6:48 PM
Assalamoualaykoum,
it is very sad to see what such people can do.They forgot what pride means .However,in some situation it can happen that the man is not wealthy enough to afford an expensive weddind party and dowry .According to some hadiths ,the less is the dowry ,more braka there is .It has been reprted as well that some offer verse of the Quran as dowry.Marriage wedding should be spiritual and not just material.Allah knows the best .
August 18, 2004 4:57 PM
Assalamoualaykoum,
it is very sad to see what such people can do.They forgot what pride means .However,in some situation it can happen that the man is not wealthy enough to afford an expensive wedding party and dowry .According to some hadiths ,the less is the dowry ,more braka there is .It has been reprted as well that some offer verse of the Quran as dowry.Marriage wedding should be spiritual and not just material.Allah knows the best .
August 18, 2004 4:58 PM
Assalamoualaykoum,
it is very sad to see what such people can do.They forgot what pride means .However,in some situation it can happen that the man is not wealthy enough to afford an expensive wedding party and dowry .According to some hadiths ,the less is the dowry ,more braka there is .It has been reprted as well that some offer verse of the Quran as dowry.Marriage wedding should be spiritual and not just material.Allah knows the best .
August 18, 2004 4:59 PM
Assalamoualaykoum,
It is very sad to see what such people can do.However ,it can occur that a man is not wealthy enough to afford his wedding .Firstly,The prophet (SL) told us about the criteria to choose his soulmate .Din is the main criteria ,otherwise can loosers in this life .Many people wonder why their marriage are failures.How did they choose their partner? Did they judge a book by its cover? God is the one who put love in the heart of anyone He wants and can take it back ,hollywood love is ephemerial as dounia .
Secondly,according to hadiths ,less is the dowry ,more baraka there is in the marriage .Wedding parties should be more spiritual than material.People want to impress guests about their exceptional wedding but they forgot that the most important is invisible .
August 18, 2004 5:13 PM
Assalamoualaykoum,
It is very sad to see what such people can do.However ,it can occur that a man is not wealthy enough to afford his wedding .Firstly,The prophet (SL) told us about the criteria to choose his soulmate .Din is the main criteria ,otherwise can be loosers in this life .Many people wonder why their marriage are failures.How did they choose their partner? Did they judge a book by its cover? God is the one who put love in the heart of anyone He wants and can take it back ,hollywood love is ephemerial as dounia .
Secondly,according to hadiths ,less is the dowry ,more baraka there is in the marriage .Wedding parties should be more spiritual than material.People want to impress guests about their exceptional wedding but they forgot that the most important is invisible .
August 18, 2004 5:14 PM
Assalamoualaykoum,
It is very sad to see what such people can do.However ,it can occur that a man is not wealthy enough to afford his wedding .Firstly,The prophet (SL) told us about the criteria to choose his soulmate .Din is the main criteria ,otherwise can be loosers in this life .Many people wonder why their marriage are failures.How did they choose their partner? Did they judge a book by its cover? God is the one who put love in the heart of anyone He wants and can take it back ,hollywood love is ephemerial as dounia .
Secondly,according to hadiths ,less is the dowry ,more baraka there is in the marriage .Wedding parties should be more spiritual than material.People want to impress guests about their exceptional wedding but they forgot that the most important is invisible .
August 18, 2004 5:15 PM
i know you already know this, but get her to run...if she's hoping it will get better, it won't...it's the wedding for god's sake! you are supposed to want to make a good impression. if the groom and the groom's family is taking advantage on the kindness of strangers-still-but-will-be-family now, imagine how it would be when you are legally family. if she doesn't run, well, good luck.
September 3, 2004 10:51 AM
I guess it all boils down to religion. I'm one of those experiencing this. If the boy could still be a free person, I'm sure his parents would not have behaved that way. His parents are showing resentment to 'losing' their son. True love comes from mutual acceptance... no forced conversion etc.
September 13, 2004 4:10 PM
One of the Anonymous said...
"don't u get it? the boy's family is trying their best not to let their son enter into this marriage thus making up all the much ado."You have a point, the guy's family got some problem! But the thing is, the guy also got some problem. If he really like your sis, he won't let your sis pay all the bills. He just can't be border.
I am not sure why your sis love him so much, your family too generous too. Btw, did they finally get married? Oct 04 Now...
October 12, 2004 8:48 PM
'in marriage you can exist without love but not without like or respect'
so where's the respect in this marriage? granted, we all pretend we are suffciently muhibbah and racially modern enough to accept interracial marriages, but your sis's in-laws are obviously not in favour of this marriage. and since Ah Boy is not man enough to stand up to his family, Adik is left without back-up! well, i'm neither chinese or malay (indian actually), but im pure malaysian and things like this really put a damper on the 'trur' malaysian spirit.
sigh... makes you wanna sit down and watch sepet over and over an over again. or introduce racial relations as a class in school instead of segregating us in islam and moral... huh? how bout it?
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